AI With Guardrails: Scott Lindsey on Logos and the Future of Bible Study

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Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, Welcome to this episode of Thinking Christian.

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Speaker 2: I'm doctor James Spencer and I'm joined today by Scott Lindsay.

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Speaker 1: He's an executive director.

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Speaker 2: At Lagos, and we're going to be talking a little bit about Bible study, and we're going to be talking about what Logos offers to help you with Bible study. And so Scott, I'm really excited to have you on the program. I you know, we were talking a little bit before the episode and I said, I tried to lead into this how Logos got started. When I first started seminary, I took Greek and Hebrew only computer aided.

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Speaker 1: I couldn't really read it.

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Speaker 2: I couldn't you know, I couldn't cite read Greek or Hebrew. But I was doing these sort of complex exegetical tasks in gram cord, which was way back in the day, you know, loaded on with a CD. I don't even know whether people know what that is right now, but that was sort of my origins with this, and so I'm interested to hear a little bit about how Logos got started and what your initial products were and just how it got off the ground.

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Speaker 3: Well, I can tell you have a doctric as you said logos. Okay, Now I did go to seminary, but I say logos simply because if I say that, you know, on an airplane, I don't know what they're going to Google, La gi whatever. Now what I won't accept is low gos. I'll hear that where people took the two and made one. I'm like, no, no, logos right, yeah, but yeah, no, it's an amazing story. So this is my twenty ninth year with Logos. Were just celebrated thirty four years as a company, and we're up here Pacific Northwest, little north of Seattle. And that's part of her story because the founder was Bill Gate's youngest program manager at the time at seventeen. So the family that started Logos again thirty four years ago was East Coast Jersey. Bob got this internship at Microsoft. I think it was sixteen when he initially started interning. Obviously, very very smart guy, smart kid, and was grown up in a home where the Bible was important, church was important. Mom was a librarian, Dad was kind of in tech. So hey, let's take tech and libraries and let's let's uh, let let's do something. And what's funny is the rule of the home at the time for the two boys. So Bob has a brother is uh, you know, they they had access to computers, probably before anybody else did, just because of what Dad did. And the rule was, I'm not buying any software you're going to create. If you want a game, you make it. If you if you want this, you got to make it. So it was the challenge to learn coding. And Bob took that challenge and uh, you know, started coding and got this internship at Microsoft. And while at Microsoft, he met another Christian. My joke is there was one other. And they used the labs at Microsoft to create the first ever Bible software program in this new thing called Windows. And so they met with the leadership was about a year and a half, met with the leadership and showed him this tool. They were excited, Hey, we can use Windows to study the Bible. And they said, no, we're not. You can. You can. You can get out of here with that. So they signed the rights over to Bob and his friend and they thought, wow, you know, I think this would really benefit the church. So they that was a tough decision to make and I've asked him, you know, will occasionally hang out, and you know, I said, have you ever got a calculator out figured out your stock options what they would be worth now had you stayed. And he's like, don't ever ask me that again, Scott, because he'd be worth a fortune right now because that's how they that's how they paid back then, right, you know, low salary. But hey, if this Windows thing work out, works out, you'll you'll do fine. But there was no regret, you know, He's like, no, I want to serve the church. I want to help people study the Bible better. So the family cleared savings, everything moved out to Washington State and lo and behold. Logo Research Systems was the first official name, and then we joked then with Logos Bible Software, which we don't say that anymore either. It's just Logos now. And what's amazing about the story is we're now a couple million users now worldwide, multiple languages, so we have logos in German, French, Spanish, Portuguese, Chinese, Korean. But the number that's shocking, which for people like you, this is the number that's most exciting, is we have three hundred thousand books in our format. So whatever interests you seriously Greek, Hebrew, you know, archaeology, apologetics, what have you. If you go to logos dot com, you'll be shocked at the sheer volume of content that we have in our format. So I'm here in Washington. You know, after COVID, three hundred and fifty employees just kind of went home in the Raleigh, Dallas. I stayed here. We only have about fifty of the three hundred plus employees still headquartered here in Washington State. But yeah, I love it here. Not leaving. But that's a little history of how we got started.

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Speaker 2: And now you've got an AI sort of built in AI platform that you're using to help people study the Bible. Let's just talk through that a little bit, because when you showed it to me, I think it does two things that I really think are crucial when we think about AI. One of my concerns about AI and the church particularly is that open source AIS is what I'll call them. I know they're not really called that, but everybody kind of gets that vibe. So the open source ones that are sort of open to the Internet, they're going to crawl, They're gonna find information for you. Claude chat, GPT, Gemini, gronk, those kind of they're pulling information, but you don't necessarily know what they're pulling, and it feels like, no matter how much training I try to give, you know, my instance of claude, I'm constantly having these sort of moments where I think to myself, still pulling sort of junkie information in for me, you know, yeah, yeah, And so you know that's that's problem A. And then I think, you know, problem B is that when we use these things in a way that isn't targeted, we open ourselves up to what I would say is sort of unnuanced summary information, the sort of thing that you get pulled up at the top end of your Google search. Now, every time that these are just you know, real pithy, short answers, they sort of give you the surface level understanding of what you might be looking for, and for a lot of things like if I want a restaurant near me, that's great, But if I'm really looking to dig into God's word, these are not the sort of answers that should be satisfactory to us. And so I think your system really solves both those problems plus a lot more So. I'm just interested how you talk it through and maybe explain it to people. And obviously we're gonna do a demo of it here on the show, but just help people understand what you all have done.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So I'm I'm gonna dog on AI a little bit because I actually think it's people aren't as concerned as they should be, honestly. I mean, Barna just released the State of the Church for twenty twenty six, and believe it or not, Christians of any demographic in the United States right now are using AI more than any other people group right now. The church. Okay. The thing that's scary though, is more than half now say they trust AI with their spiritual life, and another more than half now trust AI more than their pastor. So we have a problem because, as you said, you have to train it in order to really finally get to a point where it's kind of trustworthy. I mean, I don't think it's ever, but kind of. You know. I'll have people say to me all the time, you know, oh, Scott, AI is not as bad as you say for biblical questions in theology. And you know, I say, listen, pit bulls make great family pets, right, No, they don't. I mean, look at the stats. I have fourteen grandkids. I have ten children. I don't know if you knew that, but we've adopted a ton of kids, and so I got a lot of kids around house. I'm not going to get a pit bowl because I know the dangers. I know the stats. Now the pushback from people is again, train it. Like listen, I wouldn't know how to train a pit pull right, So I just don't think the risk is worth it. So Logos is kind of AI with guardrails. Because we're using AI, we have a philosophical difference than any other option out there for three main reasons. Number one is garbage in, garbage out. We're not connecting you to the internet. So you can imagine James when we announced to our millions of users we put AI in Logos. Oh that was a fun week at Logo. I mean we got phone calls. I hate you. I'm nailing back my old CD ROMs, you know, Mark of the Beast voicemails. You know, all kinds are crazy. But listen, I was actually fine with the pushback because that that's I think we need to have more concern. Actually, so what I what I tell everybody is Logos AI has not connected the Internet, so it's not pulling Reddit and bloggers and crazy, right, it's only AI wrapped around the Bible and scholarship, so real content, right, commentaries and Bible dictionaries and things like that. So number one, big difference there. Number two is hallucinations. Now you know AI hallucinates, and and they're actually the more they dig into this, it's not only just hallucinating the answer making things up. It's even hallucinating the sources. So it'll confidently say, here's the answer to that question by this person and this periodical And then when you dig, and here's the thing most don't dig. It doesn't exist. The person doesn't exist, the book doesn't exist. I mean, that's really concerning and scary. But the thing that scares me the most about AI is a thing called theory of mind. Now, theory of mine is all AI is trying to figure you out. It's tickling those ears. It's always kind of patting you on the back and you're amazing. And not that James is not amazing. I'm just saying, to be real and honest, sometimes what the Bible tells me is not what I want to hear right now. But it's really what I need to hear right now, right. So you know, a great example is a dear friend of mine in Dallas, huge church pastor went to Chat. He's all in Logos, It'd Scott, it is absolutely game changer for me, but I'm curious. I went out to Chat. I asked a question about Romans chapter one towards the back end, think about it, and the interpretation that chat gave was not good, not good, right, And so he pushed back, this is wrong, and chat GBT said you're right, this is wrong. And he's like, well, why did you tell me that then? So now as a pastor, he's like, well, wait a second. Now I'm really concerned because how many people at my church have gone to Chat Google whatever asked a similar question. Maybe got saved last weekend. It literally knows nothing really about sound doctrine and how to interpret texts, and they're now led astray because if you don't push back, it will keep going down that road with you. Right, So Logos doesn't do that. We're not trying to figure you out now, you know, we don't hallucinate. And when I say that, people say, well, you know, I went in there on Baptism, and I'm Presbyterian, you know, and you know I got more maybe of a Southern Baptist. Play well, listen, that's not a hallucination, that's interpretation, right that. But I love that about logos because I can say, how what an Anglican you know, view this issue text whatever, how at a Baptist. But again, that's not a hallucination, that's just the broad context of the church. So yeah, well, those are three big philosophical differences on how we're using AI to help people study the Bible.

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Speaker 2: I think it really resonates with me because whenever I talk to people who are trying to use AI, I usually tell them there's a couple of rules that I sort of follow.

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Speaker 1: I'm using a claud or a chat GPT.

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Speaker 2: Number one, I don't ask anything that I'm not already an expert in. I just don't use it for researching new topics. I go back to the old school methods of, you know, doing a lit review. If I want to do that, right, just go out and find the information. Myself read some of it, but I do not ask it for new information because I can't tell where it's missing and where it's hitting the mark, Whereas if it's something that's you know, sort of a fastball for me and I ask it a question just like your pastor did, well, that Roman's won.

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Speaker 1: Is kind of off.

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Speaker 2: You know, I know that, and so that's not really that big of a deal to me. If I'm doing something and i'm you know, interacting with an AI and it's giving me that sort of information, I could just push back on it and it's no big deal. I move past it and we're done. But I think that's the benefit of using it as an expert. You already have that training and now you can sort of push back on the AI when it's appropriate. You know, when it's giving you slippery information, you're going to check your sources anyway. It does require a certain amount of diligence. It doesn't take all it's not fool proof, and it doesn't take.

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Speaker 1: All the work out of it.

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Speaker 2: And I think that would be I guess my follow up question for you. When you're programming this into logos, there's still the expectation that people aren't just going to you know, read the blips that come up from AI and logos, that they're going to click in and use the resources that you are providing because these are really good resources and they should dig into them.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. So when and we'll do this in a bit when I ask a theological question, We're going to give you the sources to the page number with the hope that you're like, wow, I like this. I want to dig and read even more and further. And all you do is click the link and boom the book opens up there. But with you know, people have told me I feel like now I have some confidence now when I'm studying, because again I know that it's guarded. You know, I call logos Ai logos Ai with guardrails, and boy do we need guardrails in the church today. But with the sources cited, so I can go and read further and so and so forth. The other thing that it the benefit is the time savings. You know, I understand busy. I just told everybody I got ten kids and I travel and my life's pretty crazy. But you know what, I'm never too busy to tell the Lord. I can't give them ten minutes today to study is the word. There's no one so busy you can't squeeze ten minutes. Now here's the thing though, ten minutes on Google having to get through all the nonsense and the one point two billion hits when you hit enter and all that stuff. You just don't go that far right or even with paper. You know, I'm a book lover. If you could pan the camera around my office, I got books everywhere. And I remember pre logo stays, when I was a ministry, what I used to call Bible study was actually not really Bible study. What it was was gathering information, right, I was opening that commentary, going to that Greek dictionary, and so and so forth. And so one day I experiment, I took one hour out of my old Bible study days and I wrote down everything I was doing in that hour that I called Bible study. You know what it was looking, I mean, most of it was trying to find I actually really only studied for like ten minutes, like literally learning from the text and the resources. And so Logos just kind of does does the heavy lifting, right, It goes and finds the key commentaries, good scholarship. And the other thing is everything's on mobile now, so you know, most of us, that thing is in your hand a few times a day. You know, I don't know if you occasionally get that you were on your phone so many hours a day, and it's like, oh, Lord, help me with that. But if we can put tools to study scripture in that same hand, hey maybe someone will spend a little less time on Instagram or whatever and dig deep into scripture and biblical studies. So mobile is a huge part of the new logos.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a good point. Why don't we why don't we hop into it. Let's just take a look at it and see what it looks like. For those of you who are listening on audio, your still going to be able to hear us talking. But my encouragement would be to go check this video out on YouTube or on GodTube so you can actually see the presentation that God's going to do. So yeah, Scott, go ahead and save your screen and or yeah, go ahead.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. And actually, what I'll do, especially for those that can only listen right now, is I've got some great stats that I love to start with. I did a video series years ago on the Bible, you know, canonicity and how do we get the Old Testament and you know all that stuff. And I stumbled upon a study that I love to share everywhere I go, and it was a study of six hundred thousand people, So I mean, look at that number. That's a big, big number. A lot of people participated. And then they analyze the data to see the effects of the Bible on our lives, like what happens when we're in God's work? Okay, And this is what they discover. It's it's fascinating. When we're in the Bible one time a week really doesn't do much neglible change, doesn't really move the needle two times a week, same three times a week. I think, barely a blip. Okay, So one, two, three pretty flat. The profound discovery was when we're in the Bible at least four times a week, it spikes off the chart. And this startled the smart people that looked at the data because I would have assumed, like everybody, that there'd be a gradual one, two, three, four, you know, No, one, two, three flat four off the charts. Now what happens at four or more? Well, Number one is feeling lonely drops thirty percent, anger issues drop thirty two percent. Bitterness and relationship, especially marriage, So when I teach at churches, this is when the wife kind of nudges the husband, you know, bitterness and relationship especially that drops forty percent, right, alcoholism fifty seven percent. Drop sexual sin in particular pornography drops sixty percent. And the biggest decline was anyone who says I feel distant from God, So feeling spiritually stagnant drops sixty two percent. Now positively sharing your faith two hundred percent increase. And the big increase was discipling others, so those that you do life with, your family, your coworkers and so on, it jumps two hundred and thirty percent. So bottom line, we need to be in the scripture. I think everybody knows that. But there's something about the power. They call this the power of four. So that's been our goal at Logos, is to create a tool that makes people or you know, just I want to be in God's word. Right now, we talked about the AI in Logos. Finally, you know, for anybody listening James that had tried Logos ten years ago when it was user hateful, I apologize it's now user friendly because of AI, right, and it's because of what we talked about. Garbage in, garbage out, not connecting the internet. We're not hallucinating. I mean, these are some of the percentages on making up sources like this is disturbing, right, So again confident answer, but if you really dug into where the answer they say came from, not a pretty picture, and then theory of mind, We're we're not trying to figure you out. The other thing is subscription. So if anyone listening had looked at Logos back in the day and it was kind of the premiere tool. It's what scholars like you or pastors would go get and use. But it was hard to use, and then it cost one thousand dollars. I mean it was really really expensive to have Logos. We've now gone a subscription as low as ten dollars a month. Now, the good news is, because of today's podcasts and recording and everything, we're going to give everyone a free sixty day trial. So when we're done, I'll give everybody, Hey, where do I go? I want to try this out free sixty day trial of what we're talking about. For those with us. Now, I'm going to jump in to Logos real quick and just show you a couple things in the time we have. This is Logos Desktop. Okay, So again, when you download your free trial, you get it on mobile, desktop, laptop, and there's even a web app, so someone could actually work somewhere where they're like, we do not want you loading Bible software on the work computer. You still can go to a web browser, sign into your logos, and have Bible study during your thirty minute lunch break. So we have a web app as well. This is new actually since the last time James, you and I got together. This just came to Logos. We did a massive overhaul on a reading plan side of Logos because we want people reading not just the Bible, but lots of good theological books and so on. So you can see Scott's been a little flaky. I need to get caught up. So this morning started out the gate with some plumbing problems, so you know, so I didn't have my morning time the way I wanted to, with my strong cup of coffee. So but hey, listen, I don't mind the account of ability. Accountability is good. So I don't like red and my reading plan. I'll fix that. But I'm reading Keller's Counterfeit God's. I'm reading C. S. Lewis Problem of Pain. I'm real behind on that one. So this weekend I'll get caught up. But notice James the managed plans, and there's what I need to read today. This is what I've got to read tomorrow. You know, little Carson, little packer and I finished a Bible reading plan a couple of years ago. I did the McShane Bible Reading Plan. But what's great is if I want, you know, my men's Bible study to jump into my Knowing God Bible reading plan or not Bible eating plan Packer plan. Notice the little dots right there, I can actually now share the plan and it'll give me a little link. I text it to my buddies and boom, they're in my Bible reading plan for JAF Packers Knowing God, which is really cool, right because the more accountabilities even better, right, And then when we get together on Wednesdays, we'll talk a little bit about that book and so on. So this is brand new. You can pick any book in logos. It could be the Bible, it could be a theological book, what have you. And you can be very specific Monday, Thursday, Friday. It'll send your phone a little reminder because again we want people reading now. One of the other advantages with subscription is not only the cost now is radically different than old logos, but every six weeks there's a pretty significant upgrade coming. Whereas old logos. If you remember back in the day, it was every two to three years that the new logos would come out, so you had to wait two to three years for all the good, new, you know, tools that we've created. So now every six weeks it's kind of Christmas and logos, if you will, because you know new stuff, right. But the two things that I want to cover in our time today. The first one's called study Assistant. Okay, so Study Assistant. This just released, I want to say, six months ago, and this is where you're having a conversation in logos now about anything. So it could be, hey, my wife is struggling with anxiety, how can I be a better husband? How can I serve her? Logos has counseling. It'll pull in the verses and ways in which to accomplish what I need help with. You can say, what is this Greek word and Ephesians chapter three, verse whatever, and go pull my Greek diction. I mean, the amount of work is significant, or it can be theology. So I'm going to start simple and then I'll blow your mind with some new things that have just recently happened, actually, but I'm going to start with what is the trinity? So I just type in study assistant, what is the trinity? And I want you to notice something, James, that there's two buckets if you will, the all the answer from So there's your books. That's my logo. So that's the late You know the different options we have, which we'll share here towards the end, but I want everybody to notice that all books is an option. Now. This is my pastor's favorite new feature in logos, and probably will be James's favorite feature because when you flip the switch to all books, we are allowing you to search a seven million dollar theological library. Remember I said we have three hundred thousand books. We're letting you search that whole theological library. Now, the danger, James is we're going to introduce you to books that you don't own. So you'll read a little bit and then it'll say what twelve ninety five, eighteen ninety five. So James, before you ever do this, take your wallet, lock it in another room because the temptation will be great. As my past says, so I would advise to always start with your books that that's your level, Premium, Proomax. Those are the three levels we have at Logo. So I'm going to start with my level and I'm going to enter and here we go. Now, what Logos is doing right now is for me, it's reading a couple thousand books. Okay, So how long would it take you to read all the theological books you own? Hey, go give me a good answer on the Trinity and I you know you're not going to do that. But notice notice the citations right, So, great answer on the Trinity, but number one represents that particular Bible dictionary and the page number this one is another dictionary and page number right the Evangelical Dictionary Theology. So if I want to read further out of let's say this particular theology, then I just clicked the button and I'm reading. So you're never going to click and logos and have us say you got us, we made that up, right, you know, No, we're gonna We're gonna give you the book and the page number. Now here's the thing. If this is not enough for you, So one of the goals in Logo say, is not to kill you with too much information, right, But some people want to be killed like James might be studying something later tonight, and you're like, listen, I want as much very possibly, right, so you can type down here, give me more, and it will layer in more Bible dictionaries, more theologies, more input. Right. So I just want to point that out because I've had people say, hey, Logos, sometimes I feel like, ah, you know, give me more. I said, did you ever ask that? Nope, Well there you go. Okay, Now I'm gonna continue the conversation. I'm gonna now say I've got my theology. I'm gonna say what are key passages? So I'm typing what are key passages? And notice, James, I didn't say about the trinity because my conversation is already about the trinity. So Logos knows, Hey, that's what we're talking about. I don't need to restate the conversation. And this is this is exactly what happened to me about four months ago. This is a good answer, James. Okay, key passages. If I wanted more, I could say more. But about four months ago, I got a phone call and when I answered the phone, I could tell it was an elderly gentleman and asked me James to would you please, Scott come out to my house and show me how to use the new logos. I've been hearing about it. My scholar friends are talking about it, and I said, oh, well, first, who is this right? Oh oh, I'm so I'm so sorry, Scott. This is doctor Bruce Walkey. Now I thought it was a joke, but it literally was. He's going to James. He's going to be ninety six years old, I think next week. Now do you know the conviction that gripped my heart that a ninety six year old scholar bar nun like? Honestly, I think maybe one of the greatest Old Testament scholars living today, doctor Bruce Walke, wants to study the Bible even more efficiently, Like you know, hey, Bruce, you can call it in man. You're you're you're good, right. So I literally went to his house. I spent a whole day with him. This is the same example that I started with him to show him how do you study assistant And when he saw James one passage for the Old Testament, he said, Scott, come on, you know it's in there more than that I know. So all I had to do to clear that up James was say, I could say, give me more OT, right, give me more OT. Logo snow's OT's Old Testament. And this is when doctor Walke put his arm around me and said, okay, you've You've made this Old Testament scholar much much happier right now. The most amazing thing, James is I brought my Old Testament theology, uh you know, book of the year. I mean it's it's probably one of the seminal Old Testament theologies. I brought it with me for him to sign. I didn't pay attention. I went home. I opened up the cover James and he sided to Scott my mentor. So it is now I'm now telling people, James that I am doctor Bruce Walkie's mentor. It's now one of my treasured possessions for sure. But again, notice how easy logos is. You just have a conversation. But now I'm going to get a little apologetic here. I'm going to ask a great question about the Trinity. I'm going to say, can we know love without this doctrine? Now, obviously someone can experience love without being a Christian or understanding, but listen, the Bible declares God is love and God is trinitarian fathers and the Holy Spirit. So I love this answer because it's here they're inseparable, right, You really fundamentally have to have the doctrine of the Trinity to know what love is. Now here's the reason why this question came to mind. I'm working with an NFL quarterback right now who is leading the Bible study with his team, and he's now he's had some Muslims attend the Bible study. He's been using this idea to plant gospel seeds in the hearts of his Muslim teammates. Because what do we know a llahs one not father son hoys and what is pretty radically missing from an Islamic worldview is love and great why they don't have the trinity? Right? So and watch this, James. This is how specific you can be in study assistant, because there's a goal for this idea. I'm going to say, now, how can I use this to plant gospel seeds and the hearts of my Muslim teammates? I mean, look at how specific this question. So this is the big idea. You can have a massive conversation and study assistant. I mean you can dig deep, deep deep. It could be twenty thirty layers of questions. But when you need to use it for something, you can say something like this, and logos picked up on the word Muslim and it's literally apologetically imputting that for me with this. So but this answer is going to be a lot more evangelistic because that's what I said I wanted, right, So this is amazing. And again, this is on your phone. Now. If you start a conversation on your Android or iPhone or whatever you have, the minute you go to your desktop laptop, it's already there, so everything stays in sync. So listen, James, I don't mind shopping with my wife anymore more, you know. And I'm going to be sitting there in that chair. I have logos on my iPhone like I have had. I've had moments where I've told my wife, go ahead, continue shopping, honey. I'm in a study right now on whatever. Because the power of this is in your pocket, right. And then lastly, I want to show this. I love to do this in logos. I can now say something like what did Augustin say? You know, because maybe I want to know what a father said? What did C. S. Lewis say? What did you know if you have a favorite author, preacher dead old, what have you? I love doing this because a lot of times I want to know what did Augustine say? What did C. S. Lewis say? What did Moody say? What did you know? So you can say that in logos. Now notice this, and you'll appreciate this because you've done a lot of you know, research. Notice what it says the search was constrained, so it gave me my answer, But it said the search was only from Augustine's writings, But would you like me to search everything? So when I say yes to that, prompting James, it's now still what Augustine said, but what scholars say.

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Speaker 2: Augustine said the interpretations of Augustine.

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Speaker 3: Which is so now I went from primary to secondary sources just by saying yes. Okay. Now, notice James, at the bottom of every section there is a little copy button, So each part of each of the conversation. If I want to copy that, jump over. Let's say I'm leading my Men's Bible study and I've got some things i want to share. I hit paste and everything is cited so people watching can't see what just happened. But if there is any students or writers right now that saw what I just did. The hallelujahs went up, because that is amazing that logos will cite everything in any citation style. Tarabian sbl MLA eight have all the citation styles, so huge feature. Now a couple of things left and study assistant. I want you to notice, James the copy all button, because maybe I want the entirety of my conversation copied over to maybe I'm teaching a Bible study or something. I want you to also notice recent okay, recent shows you all the conversations that you're having, okay, which means what I can go back in and ask more and continue that conversation, make it deeper, make it bigger, and so on. So let me just show you, you know, the practical use. You know, we've gotten a little geeky with you know, some doctrinal study and again you could say, what is this Hebrew word in this passage? And but I want to show everybody how practical this is for life. Meaning I've got some preteens. Again, I've already said I've got a ton of kids, and one of my sons asked me not too long ago, you know, Dad, why does guy that allows suffering? So I just went in here and said, how do I talk to my preteens on why God allows suffering? I love. The beginning of the answer was Jesus experience suffering, so we have a God that knows it, right, that suffered, so great place to start this conversation. But another reason is suffering is because we can hurt people. Right. Here's another point that logo said is that we grow through suffering and difficulty, right, and then it helps us give comfort. So this is a really good simple answer. And again, if I want more, I would simply say, give me more. But then I said, what are examples in the Bible, Because that's what I'm always trying to do with my kids, is, Hey, where's this in scripture? Give me examples in the Bible where God uses suffering in someone's life for good? And I got Paul and job. And again, if I wanted more, just say more. But I'm fine with that. But look what I did, James. I then said, summarize this into three points for me to lead my family in a Bible study. Okay, Now again I could have gone ten layers deeper than this, right, And then said summarize all of this. But I want you to notice James great outline. God transforms evil into ultimate good, Suffering develops character and suffering it help equips us to help others. Notice it didn't write the lesson. So here's the big idea. We have one hundred coders at Logos Okay that are working on this every day, making it better, adding new features. But you know what they hard coded into logos AI. It will never write your paper, it will never write your sermon, it will never write your Bible study? Can I get an amen? So we've hard coded our AI to say if someone dare James goes in and says, hey, I golfed too much this week and I'm leading my men Bible study Thursday night, Logos, can you just write my Bible study? You know what it'll say, No, I love that about logos Now it'll come back with promptings. It'll say, Nope, not going to do it, but I'll help, Like would you like an outline? Would do you want to do some key Greek words studies from the text?

00:38:21
Speaker 1: Right?

00:38:22
Speaker 3: But never will it write your Bible study? Now, lastly, I want to show you this, especially if we have any Baptist watching right, you can actually say this, James, can you alliterate these because I know what teenagers are precheams. They learned with alliteration. So I just said, can you alliterate these points? And logos came back with God's good from evil, suffering shapes soul, and comfort connects to communities. So if you want so, that's the power of this tool, right. It's going to help moms and dads lead their kids and answer those tough apologetic questions, which I love, right. I love it when my kids ask me a tough theological question. But now I have the confidence, even on my phone, to say, hey, I'll get you an answer on that right now. The last thing I wanted to show James is I'm going to go to recent I might have shared this with you when we met, maybe a month ago, but I noticed pretty recently that there's no exorcisms in the Gospel of John. And this kind of blew me away because think about the ministry of Jesus. He was always dealing with Satan and casting out and it was a big but missing from John. So I asked, why are there no exorcisms in the Gospel of John? Now? What's great about this answer is amazing insight into John's view of things. But it's a third paragraph that just blew me away. And it's this line right here. In John's worldview, Jesus is presented as equal with God, making Satan and his a gents already defeated foes who need not appear in the narrative, James, what John's basically saying is Satan, I know what happens. Jesus is king. You're defeated. I'm not even gonna waste ink on you. I mean, that is the ultimate backslap. I love that, like I wanted to share that with my men's Bible study. So here's the new feature, James. Notice the copy link button. Okay, now, actually text me right now just so that it's the top of my messenger or whatever. But basically, uh, if if I can get to your text, because I've got my messenger open up another, uh send me a little text. So it's the top of my crazy messages inbox here and I'm gonna text you. There we go. There, I heard the ding. So you just saw me hit copy link on my Mac. I just sent you something which was the copy link. I want you to click the link that I just sent you to your phone and tell everybody what is now on your mobile device.

00:41:15
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I have the entire study Assistant why John's Gospel.

00:41:20
Speaker 3: So the whole thing that I just did on screen you now have and James, it's all sighted, it's all sited. Yeah, so listen for anybody watching that is you know you're discipling somebody, you're discipling your families, Maybe you're having a good conversation, or maybe you're having a tough conversation with somebody and you want to give them a biblical perspective on this. You literally build out the conversation and study assistant, hit copy link and send it to them. Now here's the thing. If they have logos, it'll loaded into their study Assistant, which means what they can continue the conversation, go further with it. But here's the thing. If if I sent that, James to somebody that doesn't have logos, that whole thing still loads up on their phone, the whole conversation all cited. So I love. So I've been in live streams James, where we've gotten to a little theological debate, like some random that came in with, you know, and I went into study assistant and I nailed it with some scholarship. And I'll just post that in the comments and say, hey, here here is the here's the right view on that, if you will, And this is really what the Greek says, not that I don't know where you got that, right. I love this new feature because of its implication for discipleship.

00:42:43
Speaker 1: It's really great.

00:42:43
Speaker 2: I mean, just looking at this, it's like all the right sources you'd want to do. Like you said, you could go fifteen layers deeper. Question for you, Like when you're doing this and you get down to that point where you say, hey, can you summarize a you know, an outline for my family so I could teach them about suffering? Do you have to go through all the other prompts to get to that or did somebody just come in and sort of ask that last question and get what you got?

00:43:09
Speaker 3: Yeah? So the more you layer in a conversation, you're you're kind of you're bringing more to the table, right, ye? So you could someone could have just right out the gates say hey, how do I talk to my kids about suffering? Right? But I did want to ask give me examples in the Bible, because I want my kids to go to scripture as much as possible. Right, But yes, you literally can just real quickly say and listen, that's happened to me when the Mormons show up at my house or the Jehovah witness And I'm like, okay, you know I did go to Seton, but I really want to I want to nail that thing you just said, because that's not right. I can go right into study assistant with exactly the question I want right now. This is where that all books comes into play. Let's say somebody watching. Actually this happened to me recently. I've spoken Dallas. I had a young woman come up to me and she said, Scott, this is this is this is so providential because I've been having Mormons come to my house a lot, and I feel a little threatened because I don't know my stuff enough. I think she's a relatively new Christian, but she wants to keep the engagement going. She she's glad they're showing up, you know. And so she's like, oh, I can't wait for the next door knock, right, I can't wait for them to show. But here's I told her this I think she went with the pro level, which is the middle. And again we're going to talk about the three versions of logos. But I said, you know, on a question like that, that's very specific, and there will be in each version of logos, there'll be some apologetics for that. But this might be where you flip the switch to all books so that you can really broaden what you're pulling from, you know. Yeah, And she said, oh, well, that's a good point, because you know that that's kind of a nuanced study or you know, you're you're you're looking at theology, but from from a totally different angle, right apologetically. So that's where I would flip it to all books and open up the floodgates, if you will, on all the apologetic material that might be available to you.

00:45:19
Speaker 1: Yeah.

00:45:20
Speaker 3: Okay, so that is study assistant. The thing will a couple of things will close with. But factbook is where I go for study. Okay, So study assistant is where I go. I need some help build my Men's Bible study. I want to look at this theological idea. I'm I want to look at this Greek word. I mean, this is where I specifically go with my questions. But factbook is where I go study. Now, notice I'm here. I was doing a little study in Ephesians chapter two. But you can also type in a topic, so you could type resurrection manuscripts, like tell me more about Dead Sea Scroll. I mean, whatever you want to know about, type it in fact book. Now, I'll tell everybody this was not preempted. I didn't talk to you before. But give me a passage, James that maybe you're in personally, or or you're getting ready to go teach somewhere and you just happen to be in. Give me a chapter older New Testament.

00:46:21
Speaker 2: Well, I'll say that the one I always go to is my go to passage Genesis six four and five.

00:46:26
Speaker 3: Okay, now you could do Genesis six four five, and you could you could do John three sixteen. But I always type the book and the chapter and let this drop down because sometimes I don't know where really does this start and stop the theme of it right, as a matter of fact, using James, I'm sorry, using John three sixteen as an example. If somebody wanted to study Jesus and Nicodemus, well that starts in chapter two, right, So if you don't know that, you're missing a good chunk if that's what you want to study. Oh, I could do four or five. But is there and you know this we call this a perricopy, But is there a perricopy here that we see that you would want to hone in on.

00:47:10
Speaker 2: You could do you know, you could do Genesis one, six, one through probably eight, the increasing corruption on like that exactly, just one of those really complicated passages.

00:47:21
Speaker 3: So I'm going to select that. And so here's the thing I would say, James, The greatest barrier to Bible study for most is they don't know the right questions to ask the text, right. So one of the skills that you've honed over the years and getting your doctorate and doing this and do that is is you you know how to engage with the text to the level that a lot of people don't, right. So when you look at a text, you've got your exegetical glasses, your historical glasses, your cultural glasses, and so most people don't know how to do that right. And so what Logos just did in a second, So for those again just hearing and not seeing, I typed in the passage that James gave me, and in one second, what Logos did on the screen as I scroll, is probably thirty to forty hours worth of biblical research already done. We're talking journals and Sermont archives and passages and commentaries. So remember, James, you know the excuse we try to give the Lord. I don't have enough time. No, no, no more. We literally cannot do that if you have logos. But there's your commentaries, now, James, what's the average price of a commentary these days?

00:48:35
Speaker 1: Right?

00:48:36
Speaker 3: They're like the most expensive.

00:48:37
Speaker 2: Books you can buy, you know, easy easy.

00:48:41
Speaker 3: Right, and romans could be two three volumes, right xer so, so they're very expensive. Logos comes with hundreds of commentaries. So notice that I've got Kenneth Matthews from New American Commentary. I've got Derek Kidner right, So I love Derek kid and especially for the Psalms out of Tyndale. So all I had to do is click the link and I'm now in the Genesis volume commentary for Tyndale Derek Kidner. Now, if you have the time to read all this insight, that's great, But sometimes I'm a little busy, James, and I don't have time right now to read thirty pages of Derek Kidner being brilliant. Right, So look at what I've got right here. Summarize. There's a button on the screen so I could click summarize now to what you said. I don't want anybody thinking, oh, now I don't need to read the commentary. No, no, no, no, that's not why we did this. Basically, when I go into a Christian bookstore and there's a book that interests me, what do I read? I read the back. I read the back of the book because what does it do. It summarizes the content of the book, and I make my decision James, on whether I'm going to buy this book or not. A lot of times buy those summaries, right, that's what we're doing. So what this enables you to do is, look, I'm going to do this for like three different commentaries and logos, just summarize the kind of the theological view of that scholar. Right. Which is great because for the time it used to take me to read two pages out of a commentary, I could summarize four or five and then decide, oh, that's the angle that I want to tackle the text with. Right, So that's that's huge.

00:50:26
Speaker 2: Well, if I can say, just for people who may be sitting back thinking like this seems crazy to do. Why wouldn't you just read the whole thing? I would say, we do this with journal articles all the time. There's usually an abstract, and you read the abstract and you decide is this is sort of information you're looking for? We always use these kind of shortcuts. You're just building a system that gives us shortcuts that we didn't have previously, right, And so, I mean, I think just to say that, so the people aren't feeling like, oh, you're just building shortcuts all over the place.

00:50:56
Speaker 1: Not really, This is.

00:50:58
Speaker 2: How I would do it if I were if I were searching a journal article, I don't usually have the option to do it with the commentary, and so this is.

00:51:05
Speaker 1: A great option.

00:51:06
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah. And even Bible dictionaries. You know, sometimes I'm studying Let's use the example of the Trinity, and obviously I can go to ten Bible dictionaries on the Trinity with this feature and logos. If I went to factbook with Trinity, it would line up all my Bible dictionaries and then I can summarize ten of them and go, oh, that one, that's the one I really want to read right now, right that's right. Again, if you have the time later to read all ten, have at it. I usually don't have time to read ten Bible Dictionary articles on Trinity. That's right, all right, all your Bibles lined up as the next section. So I like the ESV. But maybe someone listening wants new King, James, new living. There we go. But this is the goal. This is new to factbook, a new section called questions to ask And so basically what we've done is applied those lenses to the text. So look what it did for Genesis one through eight? Who are the sons of God? Does God truly regret? You know? This is you know, I've had people, you know, think they got me on this one, right, you know, No, No, what is the Nephilum? So what's awesome about this, James, is if I went through these questions like what is the theological significance of the nephilum? Or how about what ancient Near Eastern myths? I mean, that is amazing questions to ask the text?

00:52:35
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, that's great.

00:52:36
Speaker 3: And I use this example. I wasn't raising a Christian home. I got saved on a Sunday. Next Monday, I was at a bookstore buying a Bible. I didn't know this Christian books stores names. I went to like just a secular whatever, and they had a couple of Bibles. I bought my first Bible. I didn't know where to start because I never read the Bible. And someone wisely said, hey, I would live in the Gospel of John, Like, just pick a gospel. I recommend John. So that's what I did. I started in John one one. Now I want everybody to think about the amount of theology that's in the first fifteen to sixteen past and listen, James, I missed all of it. I didn't know that was in there. Why I didn't do this, I didn't know the right questions to ask the text. So here's what you do. If you want to know what are the Nephlum? Who are the sons of God in Genesis City? You just click the arrow next to the question that you're like, oh, give me more of that logos. Now, is doing the research guarded right, It's not pulling any random craziness off the internet. It's going the scholarship right. And there's views of interpretation right. So there's the angelic interpretation, there's an alternative interpretation, you know, it pulled in a little grudam, little William Cook, little utly, but this is this is great. Now here's the thing. This is kind of a hot topic with a lot of people getting into the Nephelom and the sons of You know, I want to I want to do.

00:54:09
Speaker 1: That all day with it, more than I really want to.

00:54:11
Speaker 3: So yeah, right right, Notice though, at the bottom of my answer, so again, Logos is going to be gonna give me a good quick synopsis scholarship cited. But notice that button, James. If I clicked that, it loads the question into my study assistant for me to go further, so I can say something like, what did Heiser say? Right? And let me make sure I spelled Mike's names right? What did Heiser say? And again, this is how specific I could be. Obviously, doctor Michael Heiser wrote a lot about this. Logos has got a ton of books by doctor Michael Heiser, and here we go. Heiser identify sons of God as angelic beings who co cohabited with human wit. So specifically, now I'm going to look at that it's only citing three books of doctor Michael Heiser, because that's what I asked But the beauty of this, James, is the fact that now I'm not scared of numbers, right, Like those books are the Bible that are like I wouldn't even know how to study that, right, Leviticus, You know what is the book of the Bible where most people's Bible reading plan falls off right when they hit Leviticus. Right. So that's the power of fact book is the fact that I can go there with a text, I can go there with a topic, and the amount of research. Again as I scroll again. You talked about theological journals. Logos brings me those it brought in sermons. I'm a massive Tim Keller fan, so I clicked that little button there, and I'm discovering that Keller preached a message back in two thousand on this text. There it is right, and I can go even further. Right, there's a whole section here called dig Deeper if I want to go even further with this. But the big idea is it's that easy. You just type the text you want to study, and Logos does thirty forty fifty hours worth of Biblical research for you. Now, let me know how much time we've got left. Those are the two main tools I wanted to show we're study assistant when I have questions or direction help. You know, I'm writing a Bible, study a blog post or what have you. And then factbook is where I go study a text or a topic.

00:56:38
Speaker 2: We probably got about ten minutes left, so and we want to make sure we get to the level take that kind of good stuff. So yeah, So the other thing.

00:56:45
Speaker 3: That logos does and largely do because and you know this, one of the radical shifts in education today is is we learn visually. So you know, the use of charts and graphics. I mean, look at a newspaper and I might say that somebody and somebody's like, newspaper. What's that? But a newspaper today compared to ten years ago. The radical shift is visual, right, visualizing with charts and graphs and things like that. So we're trying to do that in logos as well for the Bible because it helps us learn. So there's a thing in logos you just go to tools here and you scroll down to the bottom, and it's called interactive media. Okay, so just go here later and there's hundreds of these. I'm going to show you two or three for sake of time, but what these do is visualize your studies. So the first one we're looking at here is called the Bible books explore, and notice on the screen, I see all the books of the Bible, and there's some colors happening. So I noticed Genesis is mainly blue. I see Leviticus is kind of split between green and yellow. And notice up here, James, that's why here's it's telling me. Blue is mainly narrative. Leviticus is kind of procedural behavioral. So the color is kind of giving you know, the emphasis, if you will, are the literary emphasis of the book? Right now, Notice I can put it in the order of the Hebrew canon, the order of what books have the most words. That would be Jeremiah chapters. There's some So I can look at the books of the Bible in any lens or view. But let me just put them back in the way that we're used to Genesis exous, leviticuts. So there we go. Now again, notice Genesis is primarily blue. But if I float on it, there's my snapshot. So it's ninety one percent narrative. Now that's great, But what if I really wanted a better overview of a particular book of the Bible. And you mentioned Genesis, so I want a better overview of Genesis. So this is where I click it. Now, when I click it, notice what instantly shows on the screen. Here are my details. Moses wrote it, the languages it was written in, the BIB local eras that are encompassing that book, right, the key people, the key places, the key things. Now, notice James, the things that are in blue. So notice key places. You know I need to know about Eden and Canaan and Babylon. Those are the kind of the big ones there. But let's say I don't really know much about let's say Babylon. Okay, notice it's in blue. Now I can float and get a brief definition on what that is. And this is great because sometimes you know, I forget who Jfeth is or you know, the people of Yeah, so I love that. But watch this. If I really want to dig deeper into a person, a place, a thing, a biblical era, whatever you see on the screen, click it and logos again. In fact, book just did what literally just did about ten hours worth of amazing study on Babylon with the questions right, the questions asked, there's my media, my maps, I get a picture of Tower Babbel, I get key passages. There's my Greek, my Hebrew pronounce so notice the speaker. It'll pronounce your Greek for you properly. It'll pronounce your Hebrew for you properly. But again the point I'm look at all this. Look look what it did in one second. I mean that that's unbelievable. And all I did, James, was click on the word babblin. That's it, right, yeah, Now here's where it gets good timeline. That little button there will show me the age of the particular books of the Bible, right, so so someone might be learning for the first time right now, James, that Job is actually the oldest book. People assume Genesis first book got to be the old No, Job is the oldest book in the canon. But this is the goal. Notice the button here that says tertext. So by clicking that, what we're looking at now is how the Old New Testament talk to each other. So notice there's some connections here happening Old New Testament. So if I float on Romans, what we're now seeing are the Old Testament book cited in Romans. Okay, if I come here to Psalms, or Isaiah in an Old Testament book. Now what we're seeing is Psalms is cited in these New Testament books. So this is so good because I'll be honest, if I'm in a New Testament book or you're in Genesis, you're probably not thinking about the New Testament as much as you should be, right because I'm in the Old Testament. So I love this because the more we connect those dots, absolutely the better study you're going to get when you're linking all all the books of the Bible. Now here's what you can also do. Notice this was just me floating to see the interaction. But if I click, so I'm now going to click on the slice here that says Psalms. And now what we see is the actual passages. So this is where Psalms is cited in the New Testament. So quite linkage. There's a lot of verses there. Yeah, yeah, okay, so that's the Bible book. Looks for. Another one that's great is we'll take books of the Bible. We did this with the Book of Psalms, where you know, here's all the Psalms lined up. If I was to pick my favorite, probably Psalm twenty three and look at how geeky you can get. This is what it would look like in my leatherbound Bible that I have my morning time with. And you know, but one click, there's the Hebrew, next two Psalm verse one, two, three, four, five, there's the parallelism instantly, and even the structure. So this is the level and depth at which you can dig into the Psalms. But notice again in the corner, I've got some buttons. By book shows me the five books of the Psalms. So there's structured in five books. And notice some one nineteen's the biggest dot, So that's telling us what it's the biggest chapter in Psalms author who wrote what? So with one click, I see what Moses wrote? What's anonymous? Solomon David? So on structure, we don't have time. I'm for this, but this is awesome to see the literary devices and and and uh used in some of the Psalms. But I want to stop here at genre, because what do we see right now instantly on the screen is the biggest genre or theme running through Psalms is lament and grief and sorrow. And this is why I love Psalms. You know, if I'm going through something tough, James, I run to the Book of Psalms. Why, I find great comfort in the honesty of the writer. Right. You know, not too long ago I did a live stream with Anti right actually, and he said he feels the church has lost the art of lament, meaning we're we're real quick with the right theological answer and and but we we we've lost the art of putting our arm around a person and weeping with those who weep, and and just being silent. Right. And I love the fact that we see here in the Book of Psalms that was this is an emphasis in the Book of Psalms, right, So just little dots floating around gives me some real perspective on things that are happening in the Psalms. Now, the last one I'll show, and I've not yet been and you've probably been numerous times. I've not been to the Holy Land, but you can and logo. So look at what we're seeing here on the screen. We're seeing Jerusalem ephesis. So it's not just the Holy Land, it's you know, the Middle East and Turkey and so on. But you get to go where you want to go. I'm going to click here on the little picture of Jerusalem, and notice what happened. For one, it gives me my definition, so all the basics that I need to know about Herod and the Jebusites and so on and again everything clicks to factbooks. So if I have no idea what a Jebusite is, well you either float or click and there's all your information. But look what we did for you. This is a satellite image right now of Jerusalem. But if you take the bar here scroll it across the screen, we give you kind of an artist render rendering of what Jerusalem might have looked like at the time. But I love this because it just adds another layer of depth and insight into my studies. And I'll close with this as we tell everybody how do I get my free sixty days? I need to warn everyone, James that downloads logos for the first time, You're gonna lose some sleep. Okay, it will be one o'clock in them, but listen, James, wouldn't it be amazing to lose track of an hour, two three hours because you're digging and clicking and learning. And I mean, that's the kind of tool we want to create. It logos to where Bible study is not the broccoli on the TV dinner. You know, it's the dessert and it's the meat. I mean, it has nutrition and BROCCOLI's part of it. But I'm just saying, we want to create a tool that makes Bible study addictive. Like wouldn't it be great if we binged the Bible? You know, not a series, and I'm not against that. My wife and I right now we're binging alone. That's kind of our show. But wouldn't it be great to binge the Bible? Right? Like? Can't get enough of this thing? So that's kind of Logos in a nutshell. But let me close with the offer, and we did all this, so here we go. All they need to do is go to logos dot com, Forward slash Thinking Christian, or they can scan the QR code when they go to the page and it's live. Now. These are the three options. Premium fantastic, but I highly recommend pro And here's the reason why. Notice James, the amount of books that you have access to study assistant and for fact book, because again we're not connecting to the internet. So the more books you have to pull from, the better the answer, the more insight. So four thousand books in premium. That's phenomenal. Right, that's a big library, but pro doubles the amount of books you have access to. And at the pro level you can do Greek and Hebrew study. So if you're in Genesis you want to dig into the Hebrew text, that's what's also added are your Greek Hebrew dictionaries, your heat Greek Hebrew text airmake as well. And then max is just the uber geeky. I think that's what you've got, James, But that's a whole level. You know, this is where your ancient languages come in, Coptic, Syriac, you Garritic, and it does add more books. So notice again we add another twenty five dollars. So all people need to do is either go to the website logus dot com, Forward Slash Thinking Christian, scan the QR code. But pay attention to the deadline. This is just a two week offer from the release of this podcast. Okay, so Wednesday, September eighth, at eleven fifty nine, almost midnight, that website goes away with the free sixty days. So this is a special offer for your audience. I want to say, mobiles amazing. Almost everything that we did today is accessible on your iPhone, Android tablet, what have you. Yeah, let me just close with this. And when I do this James at a conference, people won't look at me, you know, and I listen this. I had, I had my team do this for me. I just told them here's what I'm subscribing to. But for those listening, and what we're looking at on the screen is Scott subscriptions like Hulu, ESPN and listen. I don't need six ways to watch a movie. I just don't, right, get rid of something. And you can have logos again, as low as ten dollars a month, you can have this tool and it will radically enhance the way you study scripture. Love to close with this quote, Dan Story said, the ultimate goal of apologetics is to bring unbelievers to the point where they must admit, even if only to themselves, that if they reject Jesus Christ, they're not doing so for intellectual reasons. They're not. And that's the tool we want. We want to You know, my quarterback buddy, who will remain anonymous for now, has said I used to when I got a question from a teammate, I would say I'll have the answer next week, Like because he had logos, but he didn't have the AI yet. And now that this is mobile, he says, Now, he says, give me the question right now, what is the question? And he's able to copy link and send him the answer like literally within thirty seconds of that conversation. So I'll leave this up if you want to close with any closing comments. But again, the deadline is Wednesday, September eighth. There's the QR code and there's the URL. It's thinking, Christian, I just noticed that. There we go, go.

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Speaker 1: Thinking, Christian, there we go. There you go?

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Speaker 3: Got it? Fixed it all right?

01:10:17
Speaker 2: No, Scott, I mean I really appreciate this. We do a lot of conversations about AI. I'm just finishing up a book on digital discernment with IVP, and I think a lot of times when people listen to the incorporation of AI into a system like logos, they get a little iffy on it. And I would just sit back and say, I don't actually think what you all have done is that ify at all. I think it's really great. I think it does really do what you said it did. It shortcuts a lot of the research that you would ordinarily have to put in just like finding resources, spending time getting the right commentaries, you know that part of the process.

01:10:56
Speaker 1: As as much fun as I have with.

01:10:57
Speaker 2: It, it does take a lot lot of time and there are moments where I just need the information more quickly. And so where you guys have done a really great job I think is putting quality resources in the hands of people, giving them access to those quality resources, and access not just from a speed perspective, but from a what question should I ask? And how can I access more of that information? I think it's great stuff and would just highly recommend that listeners go to logus dot com backslash or forward slash thinking Christian. We'll put that in the show notes with the time you know the time to release on it, so if you miss that deadline, don't go to the website and expect to get the free copy. But we'll have that in the listener notes so you'll know where to go exactly. And this KEW guard code obviously up on the screen. You can just click on it and you know, snap with your camera and get it taken care of.

01:11:54
Speaker 1: But I just encourage you to go try it. It's been great. I've been working with the one you gave me, Scott, and it's awesome. So, I mean, I'm a fan and just to.

01:12:02
Speaker 3: Get everybody excited, I was in a meeting last week and there's some enhancements coming to Study Assistant that are shocking. I mean, it's absolutely I actually had somebody tell me last week I was at a conference that Scott if the only thing Logos did with Study Assistant, that's it, Like I clicked, that's the only thing to open up. It's my favorite thing right now for solid biblical studies. But what's coming unbelievable. So this is again one of the advantages of subscription is just constant updates and you get them instantly. It's just part of the subscription, right, so be prepared. I think mid September. Amazing new update coming to Study Assistant.

01:12:43
Speaker 2: Nice well, Scott, thanks for sharing it with us, Thanks for being here, and we'll close it out with this. But yeah, get your free copy of August dot Com forward slash Thinking Christian and outside of that, hopefully enjoyed this again, Scott, thanks for being here, Thanks every prepared for listening, and we'll catch on then next episode of Thinking Christian.

01:13:01
Speaker 1: Take care