Unmuted: From Silence to Testimony (Nick Sash) | Ordinary Faith, Discipleship & Finding Your Voice

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Speaker 1: Hey, everyone, welcome to this episode of Thinking Christian. I'm doctor James Spencer and I'm joined today by Nick sash. Nick and I are actually friends from high school. But he's also the host of the Foundational Father's podcast. You can catch that on podcast platforms, YouTube, that kind of place, at those kind of places. He's also written a new book called Unmuted From Silence to Testimony, and he has a previous book out and I'll let you remind me of that title, Nick, So I don't get it wrong on Harmony Lane, found on Harmony Lane and a lot of these. You know, you've got the Harmony Lane, You've got the Unmuted. These are related to your kind of passion for music.

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Speaker 2: Right, yes, to my personal testimony.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, very cool.

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Speaker 1: Well, why don't you tell us a little bit about just your background, I mean, how did you how did you get into doing the podcast, what was your passion around the podcast? And then we'll jump over into Unmuted and talk about it for a bit.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely I can do that. So, I've been a musician for I'm scaming to say this, but about forty years now, and so I've been kind of played in different bands throughout my life and had multiple opportunities to also lead from stage and worship as well as where I kind of been sitting in the last ten twelve years is in the background with the rhythm section playing based And so when that kind of all transpired, I was not living the life that everybody thought I was living. I was very much living two lives. I was one person at home with my family, and I was one person when I was working in a way from everybody, and that transferred over into church, that transferred over into every aspect of most of my friends groups. And so God got a hold of me about nine years ago now and really mix things up for me and gave me the ultimatum like You've got to choose which life you want to live. And so that affected my marriage and my kids, and my friends groups say, and my relationships at church. But nine years later it was a good moves that God kind of put in front of me, and I'm grateful to say that I chose his path instead of my own. And that's kind of where found on Harmony Lane came about. It's kind of that story. And then that's also kind of where Unmuted kind of routed from there too.

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Speaker 3: So very cool. How many kids you have, Nick.

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Speaker 2: I have three, sorry, twenty three, twenty one, and seventeen.

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Speaker 3: Okay, you're a little ahead of me.

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Speaker 1: I've got a twenty year old just turned twenty, and then to sixteen year olds, and then of course we adopted a four year old here recently, so we're I'm going to be grandpa dad eventually. But well, talk a little bit about Unmuted. You know you mentioned this it came about through this sort of transition point in your life.

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Speaker 3: But you know, I mean we knew each other in high school.

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Speaker 1: I was not following the Lord at that point either, and I hit my big transition point, that big tipping point that you're kind of talking about, my sophomore year in college and had sort of this real conversion experience where I started trying to figure out what it looked like to follow the Lord. And so it's kind of interesting you had a similar sort of path, maybe even a little later in life. But just talk talk through that, tell us the story and and kind of tell us how it connects to Unmuted.

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Speaker 2: So, as a as a kid in high school, I grew up in a Christian home. My parents were one of those people that if the janitor was in the sanctuary washed in the windows, we were in the front piew watching it happen. So I grew up with all these different types of principles, uh you know, And I would say as a as a kid and as a young adult, like still living at home, I lived out those principles quite well. But then I went off to college and you know, parents are gone. I'm thinking, oh, you know, I'm seventeen now gonna be eighteens tune. I'm gonna start, you know, finding out what this world's all about. That I got to miss the last seventeen years of my life. And so when I did that, you know, you you make decisions that I now regret. But you in the moment, you're trying to fit in. You're trying to find your calling in life, your walk, and a lot of times we don't fully understand in the moment the shame and the guilt and the pain that you leave to those around you from the decisions that you make. And really unmuted is the story of like, you know, basically I was told, you know, just that I'm a guy, keep my emotions in check. You know, you don't really put anything out there. You're you're you're the strong one. You're not supposed to to be an emotional mess, right, And so when God got a hold of me, he flipped the table on that one. I became an emotional mess. I was definitely the one that talked more in my marriage and my wife didn't know what to do with that. And God really got a hold of me and said, you know what, you might have been in the background, playing bass and being a part of the rhythm section for so long, that's not where God has called me to me. Even though I can, I can live and breathe in that background. Am I thriving? And so really, what Unmuted is all about is how to thrive and live out God's purpose for your life, even if you are one of those people who feels like you're only worth it because you're living in the background, unseen, unheard, not hurting anyone maybe, but in turn, you will hurt yourself and then that will turn hurt everybody that's connected to you. Really, that's where this what kind of sprouted from. And it's been, oh a few years in the making, and I'm also finishing up a novel that kind of correlates with this, So this is more of like a non fiction work with some devotional type questions and asking you like, so, where how's your story? What's your story like? Is it in the background or are you living it out? And that walks along with this. So it's a quick reed, but I really feel like it's the nuts and bolts of what things are to come from my literary works that will be out there soon, as well as things that come in people's lives, especially in the day and age that we live in. It's kind of stand up and stand out for why we believe what we believe.

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Speaker 1: See you feel like you know just over time you sort of took a back seat when God was really prompting you to be front and center. Is that part of what kind of prompted you to start doing the podcasting, obviously writing the books those kind of things, so that you have this sort of growing platform where you can.

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Speaker 3: Be in the foreground.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was. It was kind of so I beca't I'm known as the mute bass player to some people. It was all It was given to me as a name from a guitar player of mine when I played in Cassel and Drive in Paulagi era and it was my turn to speak, and he said, hold on, I speak for my bass player. And so it kind of stuck. And that's I kind of like stuck into that whole persona of like I don't need to stand, I don't need somebody else will do the work for me. I don't need to do that work. And so it was kind of funny because about oh, six years ago, a friend of mine said, hey, you play bass. I would love to learn a lot of the licks that you throw on these worship tunes that we do at church. And I'm like, yeah, there's YouTube for that, and he goes, well, you've got a studio, why not you, you know, Like so I threw out there and you can catch that on YouTube. Still it's the mute bass player. And I have like worship storial videos of all different types of worship songs on there. You playing bass from my from my music room, just kind of you know, trying to give back to the people next generation and on how I do what I do. But then that kind of sprouted, like a friend of mine came up and said, hey, I really want to you know, talk about you know the meat of the Bible, you know, God says that, you know, he's not going to give us meat because we haven't handled the milk yet, right, we're still infants in our in our phase of walking with Christ. And so he was like, I want I want solid food, so I want to be able to handle solid food. So let's talk about it. And I said, okay, well, what do you think about a podcast? And He's like, yes, definitely, and so we kind of like just out of that, we kind of sat around talked about what we would like it to look like, where we'd like it to go. And that was over a year ago now, and it's been crazy just what God has done through that ministry and what ministries have sprouted out of it. We've just actually released this Saturday will be but we just taped our first episode of Everyday Disciple. It's a series inside the Foundational Father's podcast. But it's not me. It's not me on stage, it's not me in the camera. I just doing the editing and you know, helping support this new house seth Forrest, who's going to just handle that side of things. It's he's not a father, he's younger, and so I'm a father and I'm older, and there's people out there who you know, need to be able to handle the solid food well too, that aren't experiencing parenthood yet or maybe they're in the midst of still trying to decide what that looks like in their future. So I think that this is a great move for the Foundational Father's Podcast to kind of come alongside a guy that really wants to do that for the basically the you know, eighteen to forty year olds that are not in the same boat that myself, for my co host Martness is in. So that's been that's been a good tool. It's also been a humbling tool because you know, you realize just how old you are and how out of or something. But then then then you're like, but I still know how to do this better, okay.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, so yeah, I got some critiques from my son on our YouTube thumbnails and I was like, man, I thought those looked pretty good. But he's like, no, they they probably do look good to you, dad. So I was like, I get. I gave him the vintage version evidently, so no, I totally get that. It's a different it's a different space to be in, it's a different world to occupy, and yeah, it's it's a necessary thing, I think today to sort of get voices out there. I don't know you see this, but I mean, my big concern with podcasting is just there's so much of it out there. It's like I'm starting to look at what's next. You know, how do you how do you inform the church? How do you build the body of Christ through a medium like this? But what's that next iteration? Video seems to be a big part of it. I'm not sure how Ai'll fit in there, but I'm sure it will at some point.

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Speaker 3: But it's it.

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Speaker 1: I don't know where you guys, you know what your audience is. But you know, I feel pretty good in my niche and uh, but I know that there's a lot more out there that we could potentially do.

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Speaker 2: So I think the niche for us is ever changing. It might have started out as a father of that joke kind of podcast where we have fun and just kind of also be disciples to one another as well as to unity that we get to come alongside each week as we do these different topics like this week we're doing on how to study the Bible with a pastor a friend of mine. And so this is something that we've always kind of really wanted to do, but we didn't know how to really go in there. Because of that, we wanted to be we wanted to be relevant and also be you know, something that's not saying we're gonna put these Bible principles aside because we want to be relevant. I was actually talking to my co host about something I had read and like the we we are. We have a foundation that we have kind of like started ourselves. It's called the Intentionally Uncommon Initiative, and you can find that on the Intentionally Uncommon Initiative dot com. It's an ever growing one and it's also developed by me. So be kind, all right, but we're kind of taking this uncommon thing uh theme that's kind of out. That's kind of the next wave. I think that's kind of really hit our nation anyway, like how to live uncommon, how to be uncommon man, how to do uncommon things. But it was a talking point that I was listening to the other day and it said how to be ordinary and why that's important? And I was like, Okay, that's all I gotta Why would I want to be ordinary? Right?

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Speaker 3: To be ordinary?

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Speaker 2: Right? And then it was like how to live out your ordinary faith like it's that is still true. Like we can throw a bunch of bells and whistles on our podcast or in our music at church, or in our in our preaching from the pulpit, or whatever it might be, but if we're not giving the ordinary word of God. The the in the beginning was the word. The word was with God. The word was God. You know, it's the light that pierces the darkness. If we don't do those things, then we are missing what God originally intended. He for thousands of years, the Bible has stood right. It hasn't changed, It hasn't needed to change. The Word is the same yesterday, today and forever. And I think a lot of times we can just miss the market by trying to put all these cool little bells and whistles on top of everything that we're doing, just so that we can get a bigger audience. But I really feel like God is calling us to an ordinary faith with him. One that was back when the apostle Paul John the Baptist. They had an ordinary faith in Jesus. They knew what he could do, not only because they could see it firsthand, but they heard about it from other people in their walk of life, they had been touched by him, so why not live out ordinary faith to do the same thing. And so that's been a real like hashed of mine and it's actually what's sprouting me to write a little bit more than what I have. And one one who I guess likes to write lyrics and do those type of things. I guess, yeah, kind of gradually just says, hey, we can do more without music.

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Speaker 1: It's uh, it's interesting. I mean the longer I do this, you know, teaching, podcasting, writing all those kind of things. I don't know whether you've ever read it, but Harry Blameiers wrote a book called The Christian Mind, and he was a student to C. S. Lewis, and his argument was that we really don't have any spaces where we can have strong Christian discourse because we've lost the Christian mind. We're constantly giving ourselves over to the logics of the world, so that the only time our faith comes into it is if there's a moral issue, you know, some sort of like personal moral issue that we want to talk through. And I also go back to the book because I think it's just such a crucial point. The idea that the way we think about the world, looking with eyes that see, listening with ears that here should be our ordinary mode of existence. Our senses are supposed to be honed so that that becomes the new normal, and we're just every day walking through that. But I think the more I do this stuff, the more I teach, the more a podcast, the more I write, the more I tend to just keep going back to this is about small steps of obedience daily. It's always about small steps of obedience daily, because when we take a small step of obedience, what ends up happening to us is we open ourselves up to what God is going to do. When we're not taking those small steps of obedience, when we're not letting God take care of the things that God can take care of, we're not really seeing all the discipleship could allow us to see.

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Speaker 3: We're not really.

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Speaker 1: Getting that sort of we serve a God who is abundantly or capable of doing abundantly more than we could ever ask or think. When we don't obey, when we're not walking faithfully, we're not seeing that abundance. We're just seeing sort of what we can do, and that's often not trivial, right, but when you compare it to what God could do, it tends to be. And so yeah, I just think it keeps coming back down to, Look, we've just got an everyday sort of faith, and we need to be living out We've got what is odd needs to become ordinary, and our faith needs to become that new normal.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, and I think that's really what unmuted kind of helps you kind of define your story. So you know, my story isn't you know, really different from anyone else's out there. I'm not the only one who went through the struggles that I went through, and I'm not the only one going through the struggles that I currently am going through, whether it be health or uh you know, just different daily things that we all handle. It's about how to take those stories, those victories. Because Jesus is already won the battle for you, already, you know, made his victory in Heaven for you, So how to turn that into a testimony. So taking what you can do every day, whether it's like well, for instance, uh, my car we were we went to a family reunion on Saturday down about an hour from where I live, and so I took my wife's car because let's just be honest, first runs better than my notes. But uh, you know, I got in the car. I assumed everything was in that car that I needed for the day. I loaded it all up, and we went down to my aunt's house and got a you know, we had a great time ate, a lot of food, probably more, and I should have uh sorry, Harvey, but uh, you know, like we had fun, you had fellowship, did all the things that uh you do at a family reunion. And then we got in the car and I went to turn on the car and it didn't didn't turn off. It was batter Who's dead, right? So I popped the hood and I'm going in the back to drab the jumper tables. They're not in the car. Why are they not in the car? I don't know. It's my wife's car, So you know what it was one naturally do this, Okay, So where did you put the dumper tables? Because I put them in the car. You know, you got this thing. So I'm instantly frustrated about the whole process of doing So. We're supposed to be at a gathering for church in about an hour and a half from that time, and so I'm like okay, and it's about an hour drive, so like, uh, what are we gonna do? So my uncle found some jumper tables. Also, I don't know why he didn't have jumper tables, but he didn't. So he found some jumper tables. We got the car jumped, and then I'm like, okay, we're not shutting this thing off until get back to town and I'll go get a battery put in. You know, O'Reilly's AutoZone. They put it all in for you, right, well, it gets up AutoZone and putting, you know, taking the battery going in there, and say, hey, can you put this in for me? I gotta be somewhere in like a half hour, and they're like sure, and then they hold on a second. It says that your battery needs a professional install and I'm like a professional install. I don't think I know those two words go together, but you know. And so I'm like, okay, at four o'clock on a Saturday around where I live, no way's open, right right, So I'm just sitting here going okay. So I called the place where I was going. I'm like, hey, so you have tools in your courage by any chance, I know, it's a funny question, but can you help me, jamesbo battery and so he's like sure, sure, and so went out there and it got changed. But the whole time, you know, like, there's a lot the other could have been avoided. If the right tools, the right things were in my car, I would have been able to jump my car quicker. I would have been able to get back to town quicker to get things maybe even taken care of before closing time. Of a lot of those places, we weren't prepared. So the reason I bring all that up is just that there's a lot of times in life that we feel like we have everything together, that we don't need any help from anyone else, and that whatever whatever comes our way we got because we're men, we can handle it. And then you then you have a situation like that that you're like, oh, I may have handled it, but I could have handled it better if I had been given the tools that God is providing in my life for me to do, and maybe the outcome would have been better. Did I learn something from that situation? Yes, always keep prepared jumper tables in your but especially if you've got the battery pack, make sure it's charged. That's the other thing, because that happened to me a couple of times. I have a battery pack. I could just jump it out, it's not okay, so need something to charge it first. So but like it's the same way with God, like he is ready and willing and able to give us all the support that we need through His Holy Spirit. But if we're not equipped with God's work, you know, like it says in the Bible, thy word have I hid in my heart so that I won't sin against me? Like, you know, like it's it's important. God's word is so important in the recovery group that I run on a weekly basis at our church. I stress to all lead groups out there, like, so did you memorize any of those verses on the pages? I mean there were seven days of pages, seven verses. You should know seven more verses every week, Like, and I would go around like, okay, give me one or two, and some people would go, oh, don't I don't memorize any And then I get like maybe one or two, and I'm like, realize that you're going around. There's a band that I grew up listening to a lot of Their name is Bride I had them on my show a few weeks back. They wrote this song off their Kinetic Faith album back in the nineties. Yes I'm old, but uh it's called It's called hired gun. And in light of what had happened over the last few weeks with the America just going just completely divided on an issue that shouldn't have been it's it's kind of tongue in cheek but herd to hear, but it actually is a really good example of what I consider the Holy Spirit inside us to be. When Jesus says, I'm gonna come into your life and I'm gonna clean you, and I'm gonna make you strong. I'm gonna be able to give you power when you need it, You're like the gun, okay, And the Holy Spirit is sitting there ready to pull the trigger at any time to be able to fend off any of the devil's toils that is throwing at us. And God's word is the scripture, and the Scripture are those bullets. If we don't have those bullets in our gun, the Holy Spirit is useless against a lot of those toils that the devil throws our way. And so and that actually was an analogy given to me for all this craziness that I've happened. So it was kind of a God moment me. It was like, Okay, God, I see what you're saying, you know, and it's it is very easy to now relate to a lot of people like you can go you know a lot of everything that had happened, this is this is a way that you can look at how God's word is in your life so important and why the man that was a martyred for his faith was so easy and happy the whole time because he had God's word hid in his heart so that he wouldn't send against him no matter what situation. And man, I can't wait till I have that kind of faith and those kind of bullets to be able to fend off anything that the devil may throw at me. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So me, as you were telling that story, I was actually thinking you were going to go a completely different way, which is.

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Speaker 3: Which is kind of funny.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I appreciate the the idea of preparation. I think that makes sense to me, and it's it's different than what I was thinking you were going to go. So I find that when I'm in those kind of situations. There are these moments when there's nothing I could have prepared for. Right, our air conditioner just broke. Well, I'm not I have no idea what I'm doing. Like, there's not a hammer or screw driver you could hand me that's going to help me fix an air conditioner.

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Speaker 3: I have no clue.

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Speaker 1: And so you just, you know, we're like, Okay, we're going to be without air conditioning for a couple of days. We'll get the HVAC guys in, we'll do the whole thing, you know whatever. And what I found was that because I was completely helpless in the moment, just totally have no capacity to fix the issue, that what I had to.

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Speaker 3: Do was reorient my aims, right, like.

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Speaker 1: Really think it through and say, in this moment, I'm not doing what I want to do.

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Speaker 3: I'm not spending my money what I want to say spend it on.

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Speaker 1: Right, this seems like such a waste of time and energy and effort over something that should just work. And yet you sort of take a step back and you go, what's the goal here?

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 3: The goal is.

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Speaker 1: Acting so that only God gets the glory in every moment of every situation. And so I was tweaked about it, like I was frustrated. But at the same time, I'm sort of sitting back going in this moment where I have no other alternative. I can only really do this. I have to depend on other people, you know, if we want to get air conditioning, which you know we're down there Saint Louis. We hits hot, right, it's still hot. We're recording this at like the end of September, early October. It's still hot. It's ridiculous. But I just had to sort of let things go. And I think the story you were telling, you know, where you have the hour and a half to get back to a church event. I find that those and I don't mean this in a bad way, but those arbitrary schedules often get in the way of my witness. Yeah, because I'm so obsessed with getting there on time. I'm so like, hey, the schedule is this, and so we need to stay on schedule. I think there's something appropriate about that, But then when it skews and there's problems, I sometimes I realize, like I'm booking myself too tight. So I don't know. That was just a different riff on some of what you said there.

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Speaker 2: I like both angles and both have very good meaning. Like prioritizing what you're doing in life is important, you know. Yeah, the main thing is, you know, what was the ultimate commandment that God gave? Right, There's there's like a lot of commandments that he kind of put down on the Bible. I mean, I think Moses carried ten down because when he was picking up the tablets, they must have broken if you might have fallen off. Maybe there was fifteen or twenty. I don't know. Maybe he just wasn't wrong enough carry more than that. But like, I mean, those ten carry a lot of weight, right, but the one of the one that I think kind of supersedes all of them. We were talking about this at church last night. Worship practice is that love the Lord, your God and what serve him only? Like, if if that is what you're doing, then you're doing it right. But a lot of times we get that wrong because everything else under the sun of God that we put our faith and our trust and our focus and our schedules in, we're not serving him only in that. A lot of times, yeah, we can even like have church can even be one of those things that we put above God, you know, and our wives, we love them right, but and we want to put them up there. But if we don't put God above her, we're not loving her right First, Christians Really Stressed is about what that looks like. And it's a great book to read right now, we're going over it in church, and it's a it's a fun one to to dabble in, and it's also a very opening one, like you really go, oh, wait a minute, do I do that? You know, wait a minute, am I acting that way? Wow? Okay, God says I don't even deserve the Kingdom of Heaven this way. So a lot of that can be done by just prioritizing our time.

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Speaker 1: Uh yeah, yeah, Augustine, that sort of order of loves has been you know, put out there in the news.

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Speaker 2: JD.

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Speaker 1: Van's references that referenced it a couple of times, and you know, so it became part of the sort of public conversation there for a minute at least. And one of the things I love about the way Augustin describes the order of love. He describes it almost like a river. And if your love for God is the current of the river, anything you throw into the river is going to be drawn along by the current. But the whole idea is that it's God's love, is not you know, the top priority and then once you get that done, you can move to the second on the priority list. I think that's the wrong picture for us. What it is is it's an immersive experience. And so the love of God is something that we immerse other things into so that you know, just like you couldn't put anything underwater without it being wet.

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Speaker 3: Right now, all.

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Speaker 1: Your other loves are immersed within this love of God and they change they by coming in contact with and being shaped by that.

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Speaker 3: Love for God.

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Speaker 1: Now our other loves are less distorted, they are less deformed. They are now shaped into something that is christ Like, and they're they're rightly directed. And so I've always loved that picture that Augustine gives. I think it's just a really vivid way of thinking about it, and it is a little different than a lot of times we talk about it now, you know, we we do tend to talk about priorities or balance or you know, all those kind of pieces. But the reality is God isn't calling us to balance. He's calling us to radical unbalance, a total love for Him and only service to him, allows us then to love everyone else. He's not asking for part of our time. You know, hey, keep me in mind whenever you're doing stuff, right, It's a more radical obedience than that. So just yeah, sort of resonating with what you're saying there. Well, man, I mean we're we're getting we're getting kind of close to the end here of our time together. You know, where where do you see? You mentioned the novel? Where do you see your sort of trajectory going? I mean, does God has God giving you sort of a general trajectory?

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 1: Like for me, I think where I'm landing on, where I really want to go is Christian first? Right, helping people understand that concept almost that I just described with Augustine. You know, how do you go about being Christian first? How do you go about living Christian first? And immersing everything you are and have within this love of God, within a loyalty to Him. And that's sort of the I think the trajectory of my writing, my speaking, everything I'm doing.

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Speaker 3: Where do you see yourself sort of heading?

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Speaker 2: I'm kind of in that same boat with you. So, like it's all about just being able to allow people to realize that they have a story and kind and being able to speak it, you know, without out here trembling doing it. But like it doesn't have to be in front of thousands of people. It can be a one to one basis. It can be over coffee, it can be at McDonald's. So like, there's so many different ways that you can share God to people that as long as God ordains the appointment is that seed is going to be planted. It may not be that they are falling in love with what you have to stay right away, but that seed will be planted. And I think that's the most important part of us is that we are seed sewers. And so Foundational Father's Podcast is doing this spin off to allow that to be more of a thing for the people that are in a different generation than we are, as well as Foundational Father's Podcast is going to be taking their show on the road. We're going to be doing more like getting our hands dirty, not just talking about getting our hands dirty, but actually living that out. Because I feel like we can talk through this mic and on this camera all we want about the way to do things, but if we're not in the public eye going that's we believe it not only by speaking it, but by doing it. It says in the Bible that not to just be hearers of the word, but doers also And so that's kind of where we're are phasing two. We are gearing up to I think we're gonna possibly be doing a podcast live from a combine here soon. That should be fun. Uh hopefully there's somebody driving it that knows where there won't be me. But yeah, so like we're and we're gonna be going to Shane Boland's pretty good wood turning chat uh up near Chicago and doing a live broadcast from there. He's been a pretty good supporter of my program and and he's got some pretty cool stuff, so he does. Yeah, he's got a great story. We actually, uh there is an episode where we interviewed him about his story and so if you haven't had a chance to go check it out, do So it's a it was a Shane Boland was the guest then. I think it was in season two. But yeah, we're in season three now, which is also and we're gearing up for an amazing and to season three and then that season four is where everything kind of starts to be on hand in hand on people's locations. So if any of your guests out there are looking for some volunteers, send us. We would love to go.

00:37:22
Speaker 3: Very cool.

00:37:23
Speaker 1: That sounds that actually sounds pretty fun. I do a couple episodes. I've done a couple episodes outside the studio, and I find I have a low technological capacity for it. But God bless you man doing out going out and doing those on the road because they are not simple.

00:37:43
Speaker 3: So that's a fantastic move. I really love it.

00:37:47
Speaker 1: Well, let me ask you. I usually ask my guests like one final question. I ask it of most of my guests. And so you can take this wherever you want. You can link it back to what we've talked about. You can go a wholly different way. But here's the question. What do you think the church should be doing today in order to be and make more faithful disciples.

00:38:11
Speaker 2: I think what I talked about earlier about ordinary faith is what the church should be doing. There's a lot of churches out there that I understand trying to be relevant, to be you know able to to cast the big net to catch as many fish as possible, which is a is important. Don't get me wrong. That's a very big part of what we're called to do, but we also need to be sowing seeds when we're casting nets, and so I think it's very important that we realize that the biggest part of sowing seeds is living out in our own lives that ordinary faith of who God is in our life. And we're not we're not sugarcoating it, We're we're not giving it confetti. We are saying for I. It says in the Bible that for I am the way the truth in the lives, that no one comes upon it but by me. And as simple as that, like, we just need to be a church, a church body with hands and feet that all believe the same thing, that that is the one and only way to get to heaven, and we will do anything and everything to let everybody else around us know that that's the case.

00:39:31
Speaker 1: Cool, good answer, man, I agree with you. I think those small steps of obedience, that intentional engagement every moment of our lives is something that all of us need to do and it's very difficult to do. So yeah, good stuff man. Well, thanks for being on today. Appreciate you taking the time. And your book is going to release here in a few weeks. On all platforms. I think this podcast will be out before that happened or after that happens, and so we'll include all the links, uh to get Nick Sash's book, Unmuted from Silence to Testimony. It'll be on your own personal store, but it'll loss be on Amazon and all the other fun places you can get books right.

00:40:17
Speaker 2: On my own store at the mute based player dot com. Okay, And so it'll be a discount of price till it releases out to Amazon, and depending on the response rate, I might just extend that discount worldwide. So we'll see what.

00:40:32
Speaker 1: Has very cool and then Foundational Fathers is the best place to find that. On YouTube, where do you usually send people to get your podcasts and all that kind of good stuff.

00:40:42
Speaker 2: YouTube have video podcasting uh on there. So both of those places have our video, but on any platform you can always get the actual audio version of it. But yeah, YouTube and spotifies where mainly throw people at cool.

00:41:03
Speaker 1: I don't remember where I watched it, but I watched you give your testimony at church, I believe, and that might have been on your on your website.

00:41:12
Speaker 3: Yep.

00:41:13
Speaker 1: Yeah, So i'd encourage people to go to the Mute bass Player dot com. Yep, that's that right, Okay, Yeah, I encourage people go to the mute player, mute abuse, mute bait bass player dot com, the mute bass player dot com again, I'll link that in the show notes. We'll give you everywhere you can connect with foundational Fathers with Nick, get his book, check out his testimony, really good stuff, and just encourage you to go and check out everything he's doing.

00:41:40
Speaker 3: Great stuff.

00:41:41
Speaker 2: Man.

00:41:41
Speaker 1: Really again, appreciate you being here and uh, just thanks for being on the episode.

00:41:46
Speaker 2: Hey, take care man. We'll see you again soon, hopefully.

00:41:49
Speaker 1: All Right, everybody, thanks for joining us today. I'm thinking Christian, we'll catch you on the next episode. Take care, everybody,